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Our rules are simple and listed on the opposite side of this page in several languages. However, lately with the MASS of submissions we get, we've discovered a need to refine those rules a little.

Effective immediately,

:bulletblue: Any stock photos or textures must be linked to the source stock image (not just the provider) WE must be able to verify the stock as legitimate.

:bulletblue: Any stock photos or textures must be from a legitimate stock provider. DeviantArt stock providers are preferred, but sites like istockphoto, shutter stock, sxc.hu (Stock.xchng) are perfectly acceptable. Sites like Photobucket, and Google images are not. If the stock images were created by you - please credit as such.

:bulletpink:What IS NOT a photomanipulation?

This question has plagued us since the beginning of this group. What is or is not a photomanipulation?
We, the Manipulators team, have discussed it and discussed it and finally came to a simple definition.
In order for US to consider an image a photomanipulation, it must combine multiple photographic elements OR create an entirely new image.

That is to say, taking a single stock photograph, throwing it through about 4 Photoshop filters and slapping a texture on it does not make it a photomanipulation by our standards. Also, taking a single stock photograph and recolouring it does not make it a photomanipulation by our standards. And last but not least, taking a single stock image and slathering it with brushes does not make it a photomanipulation by our standards.

Thank you all for understanding our need to update our rules of submission!

Keep manipulating! :love:
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Venthor78 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
like this!! :icongreatjobplz:
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Nakatoni Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
True, true, what is manip and what is not but linking directly to all images used... Well, it takes time to find photos online again, some are being deleted, many things can happen. I credit providers and if my own resources used I just say "+ my own resources". Is it really needed to reveal everything? Isn't it about art mainly, not about "what did you use, how did you paint, how did you blah, blah"? I doubt I would like to waste time for searching for direct links, I prefer to make art instead.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010   Digital Artist
I think this is awesome, and I may refer some others over here to get educated. Thank you so much!
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igreeny Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010
I dont get it . Please explain me this becouse i am about to sign off . You see in my opinion 2 photos marged toguhter with 5 filters on them to blend in well dont have more right to be called photomanipulation then something made from 1 photo. For example is this my last deviation photomanipulation in your book ? If its not what it is then ? [link] .. (its also weiting in submissons ;) ) and is my other deviation [link] before "weiting" photomanipulation becosue in background i added city ?
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LordIlpilazzo Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010  Professional General Artist
We would not consider this a manipulation [link] We would consider it a photo-edit. Primarily because the original image has not changed at all. There are obvious enhancements, and the brushes create a wonderful accent - but nothing NEW was created. And so - we would call this an edit of a photo, and not a manipulated photo
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igreeny Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010
you know you just linked to my account not image , right?
I am sorry but i just love how in all this defining what is and what is not photomanipulation you actaul ride over wich method sux and wich dont in creating image.
You see it is funny thing how you dont consider that evrything beside main model was changed on this linked image and how you say orginal image is not change at all. Dont you see evrythign around was changed ? Just how it is that when someone put model on sky and add wings as effect or put girl on photo of ruins it is not photo edit but photmanipulation and creation of new image. I will just guess that adding part of difrent photo like wings make it more manipulation and creating somethign NEW then using brushes , am i right ?

BTW. NOTHING NEW WAS CREATED ??? Whole Background was created by me , i have add depth to this image didnt i !
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LordIlpilazzo Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010  Professional General Artist
Look - there is no need to take this so personally. Every group needs to have guidelines on their acceptance - especially a group like ours that receive hundreds of submissions a week. We can choose to accept everything and flood the inboxes of our members and watchers - or we can choose to set limits on what we accept. Despite how much this decision has seemed to affect you - believe it not - it's not ABOUT you. This is simply about the standards that we, as a group have set. If these terms are not acceptable to you - I am sincerely sorry. But we are not going to change those rules to make you happy, or to conform to what your personal interpretation of a manipulation is. You have the right, and the ability to start a group here, and when you do - you can set the terms of what a manipulation is - and we will all have to respect those terms if we wish to submit our work to you - even if we don't agree.

I hope you can understand and respect the decisions we have made as a group, but if you cannot - I cannot help you. But I would encourage you to take a step back, and ask yourself "Is this really worth getting all worked up over?" This is a gallery group on DeviantArt. This is not a life changer for you. Chill out. Save that energy for something important.

Peace, my friend
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igreeny Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010
I know when my stuff is edit and when manip , i dont need you to teach me this or anyone else . Set limits set standards all whatever you want ... i am totaly not about that but about form you choose to spell it out. Dont treat me like egomaniac and dont try to show me as one i know ruls aint about me and i dont take ruls personaly.
What i take personaly is your line about my work "nothing NEW was created" and not answer any what i have talk to you in earlier post , but i dont care about it anyomre. I just dont care about your ansewer or any of those.

" You have the right, and the ability to start a group here, and when you do - you can set the terms of what a manipulation is... " you see i can set what my theoretical submisson limits and restriciton would be and what not . I can not redefine what photomanipulation is . I can do it personaly like you do but it wont make it manipulation definition .
Maybe i wouldnt be anoyed so much but reading all that " hay we have so many submisions we have to lower this number becosue its just 3 mods here and look Manipulation is NOT this made in that or other way ..from now on ... " GOT IT ? Just becosue you are mod it dont make you god .
Sure sure , i am out of this place but not becosue of ruls but becouse of you and no i wont create new group .

yes this all is wate of time not worht of my time. Becosue its just DA group run by someone ... i dont really know who sorry.
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LordIlpilazzo Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010  Professional General Artist
You know - they make decaf now that is just as tasty as the real stuff
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igreeny Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
aha
very smart and mature :clap:
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